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[Enzo Palumbo]

Also, considering how Karen signs onto another board on a daily basis, I don't see why she couldn't do it here. Her own lack of interest is definitely a valid reason and she's proven it multiple times in this game. Julie is justified. Sorry houseguests if any of you disagree but I gotta stand by her on this one.

[Karen Fowler]

Nov 3, 2011 11:38:32 GMT -6 Chenbot said:

Nov 3, 2011 11:30:50 GMT -6 @Karen said:

As per the rules of your own game, I still don't find it just that I was expelled. However, it is your game to do whatever you want with it. However, when a host doesn't uphold his OWN rules, I'm not going to call rigging, but my eyebrow will definitely raise and I will say something. If that offends you, I'm sorry. If my stepping up was "too little too late" then how about some parameters of how much I should be posting should look like? You know I'm perfectly capable of lengthy drawn out confessionals, I just wasn't doing them this game.

In a game where competitions are due in 24 hours with results sometimes not being posted until around 24 hours after that (sometimes even longer if I'm not mistaken), not to mention that I wasn't in this weeks veto competition and considering the vote which went down on a HOLIDAY mind you, I think it's understandable that I might not have made it online for the vote. ESPECIALLY when I'm not the only person to have missed it AND the other person has missed a vote before. I feel as though this "favor" you're doing me because my "lack of interest" is invalid (sorry).

If I didn't care, I wouldn't be saying anything.

Not a sore sport, but expulsion is a big deal to me, and I think mine was kind of lame.

I'm seeing a lot of excuses here. Yes, Halloween just happened, but it's not just a holiday for you. Everyone else had the same opportunity. As for your dig at Parker, unlike you he has used his diary room the whole season and has talked to me on AIM. I know he is here playing the game. Like you said, I know you are capable of more, there are plenty of houseguests who haven't won HOH, haven't been nominated, haven't played in a veto for a certain week and yet have something to say in their DRs. This isn't my first season hosting, I know there is stuff that happens even if you aren't personally doing anything during the week but voting. And I admit I have sucked on my timing when it comes to competitions, but wouldn't my slowness help you into talking and having more time to use your DR? You don't have to agree with your explusion, but it still happened.

I'm not allowed to make excuses, but you are? Funny...

I never said it was your first time hosting, so if you want to take offense where it wasn't meant, that's your call.

I was hoping you would shed some light why you wouldn't adhere to your own rules. But as you didn't do anything but ignore that point and try and bash me, I'm not exactly sad to be gone. In the future, instead of saying "more diary room posts" try giving a number of how many. This was a surprise because I was posting more in my DR than in rounds past. Not LOADS, but more. And I missed one vote compared to Parker's two (which wasn't a dig at Parker, but me stating my case why I think your decision was crap) Oh, and implying I should potentially be a better player/DR poster because you take two days to post results?.....Yeah, that's quality hosting right there.

Good luck everyone who has the patience to play in this game.

[Karen Fowler]

Nov 3, 2011 12:30:57 GMT -6 Enzo Palumbo said:

Also, considering how Karen signs onto another board on a daily basis, I don't see why she couldn't do it here. Her own lack of interest is definitely a valid reason and she's proven it multiple times in this game. Julie is justified. Sorry houseguests if any of you disagree but I gotta stand by her on this one.

Do I post on that board Enzo? Do I make DR postings everyday on that board? I didn't think so.

Sorry to be a bitch about it, but this whole thing is silly.

[Chenbot]

Thank you Karen, you are right and everything I say is wrong. You are unfairly expelled. My hosting sucks. I play favorites. I make excuses. You have the patience of a saint.

If we are done here, I'm going to continue on screwing up the rest of the game.

[Karen Fowler]

*rolls eyes*

Yes, that's EXACTLY what I was trying to say....

*shakes head and sighs*

[Renny Martyn]

Karen's replies were very logical and eloquent in my opinion. If She was posting in her DR (she's right, a word count, etc was never specified), and participating in comps, I don't understand why she was expelled. She missed one vote, but the rules state if that happens you can't compete in the next HOH, not that you would be expelled.

I have hosted many games and because of that I always try to respect hosts. Chenbot, you don't get paid for this and I do appreciate the time and effort you do put into the game. The same goes for the other staff. I'm not here to bash you or your staff. I just can't sit here quietly and not speak up.

As far as commenting on how much time Karen puts into this game as compared to another game she is in, how is that anyone's business but Karen's? If She is following the rules, how can she be judged on her mindset in this game? Several people play multiple games and find some more fun than others. As a result, they might not be "as into" the ones they aren't enjoying. That is completely subjective and, in my opinion, not up to a host to decide - let alone, grounds for expulsion.

I will tell you that I haven't been posting in my DR's as much as I would normally for two reasons: 1) The pace of this game has been very slow. Hey, it happens, and it's your right to move at the pace you choose, but that does tend to make me lose interest in a game. 2) I was told that one of the mods had given out one HG's game information to another HG and I didn't want that happening to me.

I forgot to do a DR this round until after the eviction. I posted it after, but nothing was ever said to me that I couldn't compete in the HOH. How is this fair? Yes, I'm throwing myself under the bus here, but I would like to be treated equally and I'm sure Karen would, too.

I believe the "evidence" that Jordan attempted to cheat on her redemption challenge was sufficient for expulsion, or at least not allowing her to win and come back into the game. But now, because Karen has been expelled for not caring about the game as much as you wanted her to, Jordan magically gets a jury spot?

I'm sorry, but I'm a very fair person. I believe in rules and I believe in people having consequences if it is merited. The hypocracy and inequality here is just astounding to me.

This is a game, and it's supposed to be fun. But, it's also supposed to be fair to everyone. When it stops being fair is when I stop having fun. If you expel Karen for not loving this game, or not caring about it as much as you think she should, then you should expel me, too. Because my level of patience and caring in this game has just hit a new low.

[Chenbot]

You can leave Renny, nothing but yourself is keeping yourself here.

I can, but haven't the interest to deal with yet another whining episode from you. I can reply and we can go back and forth, but it's not worth it.

[Renny Martyn]

Interesting how you resort to jabs like "whining" instead of just responding. I guess it's because you know everything I said is the truth and you have no response. If you're talking about the time I objected to having less than 12 hours for a live competition...well I guess so, since that's the only other time I've said anything to you.... I don't exactly call that whining. I call it asking for fair notice of a competition. It's kind of hard when the game crawls along and all of a sudden you throw a live challenge in the mix without even 24 hours notice.

But...le sigh. I may as well be talking to the wall.

[Chenbot]

You do whine and have been since that incident. You will 100% stand by Porsche's claim over Jordan's with nothing but Porsche's word. Porsche knows how I feel about the situation, but as I told her and you that I can't prove the Jordan situation with the possiblity of editing convos around. You seem adament about going after Jordan which is fine and dandy, but I don't care to join your cause when everything is a conspiracy with you. You are playing the victim so well in that situation (which really was between Porsche/Jordan/Me). Whether you believe Jordan or Porsche is your own perogrative, but it's not my place to pick a side on a gray area subject.

As a host yourself, if you take sides on things you don't know 100%, that's cool but that's not me. Reminding you once again, you don't know the whole story cause I'm sure you only know what you heard against Jordan's case.

Furthermore, you, along with every other houseguest has used your DR and showed signs of life. Yes, it's stated in the rules that you won't participate in HOHs, but I don't enforce that rule as much when you show conscintcy especially wince I have been busy and slowing the game down. 4 weeks of DRing and one bad week (You) is sooo much better than 4 weeks of nothing and one decent week (Karen). Once again, you don't know everything only what you gather from Karen.

From my POV, it seems like you are trying to act like you know more than you know, but you should know there is more than what you see, just as I know there is more than what I see. If you wanna walk, walk, but I'm not hear to listen to you complain about a decision that was WEEKS in the making.

In conclusion, as in this will be my last post on the subject, Karen was Expelled. You don't have to like it or even respect it, but it happened. You can continue in the game, hating me and my decision or you can walk from the game, obviously your choice. That's all I have to say.

[Renny Martyn]

First of all, I never quit. You'll have to throw me out. I may highly disagree with your decision but I have a right to give my opinion about that. You can call it whining, or whatever you wish. At least I am saying this to your face.

Second, YES, you are correct. I 100% believe Porsche. She is not the one who lied here. She is just the only person who spoke up about it and I admire her courage in doing so.

Yes, as a host, or as a player, I agree conversations can be doctored; however, coupled with just plain common sense, and knowing this isn't a court of law where you need to prove something beyond a reasonable doubt (in civil court it just needs to be more likely than not), I believe it. In a game like this, all you really have are AIM conversations, so you could just shake anything off by claiming the other person made it up. Anyhoo.....that's all I'm going to say on that subject unless YOU keep bringing it up.

[Porsche Briggs]

Wow. Umm I don't know why that was all drug up it has nothing to do with Karen being expelled from this game.

I want to say that I have invested a lot of time into this game and as I have really put forth a lot of effort I think since I have been brought into this somehow I should be able to express my feelings on that.

I totally see that we are going to have to agree to disagree with many points. It is your game Julie and you call the shots I understand and respect that. Not everyone will see eye to eye on everything that goes on but as players who have invested in this game we should be able to express our feelings openly but it seems like if someone disagrees they are automatically in the wrong. Renny has been vocal about things she doesn't agree with but I don't think that being called a whiner was necessary. I think that if something is really bothering you that it should be ok to contact the host and make sure they know how you feel even if it's not agreed with.

whether or not I agree with Karen being expelled doesn't matter it's not my game I suppose so I haven't said anything in this thread but that the Jordan issue was all drug out in detail this morning I'm bothered. I do know where you stand on that Julie I said that no matter what I respect your decision as it is your game. I sent you the IM convo and that wasn't proof enough and I know that you did put forth the effort to ask others. I am a little hurt that I know I wasn't the only one it happened to but was the only one to speak up but I still feel like I did the right thing. I have more than just my word I have actual screen captures of that convo and another convo as well showing not just me had this happen. I cannot attest to anyone else's claims however.

It was stated that no one's business but those directly involved but Jordan came back into the game telling players that I am a liar and tried to get her expelled on purpose trying to get me seen in a negative light. She went to everyone making it their business as well. That is the main reason why I didn't even want to say a word about it but was convinced to do otherwise. I know that there are players in this game that may not know about this issue and as it was brought up in this thread now so I feel that I needed to say something about it myself.

I don't intend to piss anyone off or cause trouble or put anyone down but I am a little put off by the fact that was brought up in detail in this thread. I know Renny hinted at it but nothing was outright discussed until that last post and I needed to speak up because of that.

[James Rhine]

Congrats top 8! Moving on...

[Jennii Johnson]

Hi Karen

[Enzo Palumbo]

lol